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$20 Million “Change the World” Giveaway

This blog post is part of the 4th Annual Suicide Prevention & Awareness Month blog tour*. If you are feeling suicidal, please call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-8255 or text HOME to 741741.

 

Eliminate old debt problems with this $20 million giveaway. Stop debt collectors in their path. No more annoying calls and harassment. #debt #giveaway #debtreduction  #debtcollectors #reducedebt #debtproblems #suicide #helpSeptember is National Suicide Prevention Month. Each of the last three years I participated in a Suicide Prevention & Awareness blog tour. Last year I published on the tragic story of a young woman who changed her life forever in an attempted suicide gone wrong. I pointed out how this is important even for the FIRE community, a group of people that accumulates wealth and avoids debt.

In 2016 I shared my personal struggle with depression and seasonal affective disorder (SAD)

Two years ago, in 2017, I outlined how I got into the hedge fund industry buying charged-off receivables. And that is where our story begins today.

 

Trouble in Paradise

Money problems are a leading cause of suicide. Debt is usually the culprit, but medical bills also play a meaningful role.

You can read the 2017 article for more details, but the short story is I got into the debt buying business many years ago. When I bought a package of debt I ran a LexisNexis report to screen the accounts. 

Debt was parsed into categories and then sent to collection agencies and law firms. Most of these firms worked within the law, but some were fired when it was discovered they used inappropriate tactics to collect. 

Each file would have a LexisNexis report pulled once or twice per year in addition to what the collections firms did. And one of the disturbing trends was the high rate of divorce, job loss, medical issues and suicide. It was hard to work within an industry doing so much harm.

Monthly reports were filed by each collection agency and law firm with a remittance of what they collected the prior month, minus their fee. 

At this point it would be a good idea to review the John Oliver video on how the debt buyer industry works so understand how evil some of these people are.

 

 

I had to wash my hands. Unfortunately I had a fiduciary obligation to investors. 

To sooth my conscious I started sending copies of personal finance books to debtors who made any payment toward their delinquent debt. Dave Ramsey’s The Total Money Makeover was reasonably new so it was the go-to gift. 

The hedge fund’s attorneys soon caught wind of my behavior and warned me against sending the personal finance books. They felt it added litigation risk so I stopped as it put investors at risk.

Soon after I made my exit from the industry. Emotionally it was too much to handle. I could not push people over the edge to line my pocket.

 

Putting Experience to Work

Both debt buying hedge funds I managed did well; the first significantly better than the second. More important than the money was the experience I gained. I know the intimate details of buying, selling and collecting debt.

And I have contacts. 

When I ran across the John Oliver video I had to watch. Nothing much has changed since I ran those halls. 

As a debt buyer I could buy debt for pennies on the dollar. In many cases I could buy for less than a penny on the dollar! (You read that right. I could (and still can) buy massive packages of debt for a fraction of a cent on the dollar. One quick email or phone call and I can have a $20 million package of debt on my desk before the day is out for a mere $50,000.)

Debt kills. My actions within the debt buying industry, while always legal, was still part of the problem. Of course I was a small fish in the debt buying industry. However, the raindrop never blames itself for the flood, but they all play a role. 

It still bothers me all these years later. My legal team collected a lot of money from a lot of people. Most got into debt with their eyes open and really owed the money. Still, everyone does stupid stuff. There has to be a way to start over—an out, if you will. 

And more than I want to count, we forced too many people with medical debt to the edge. (Do you push a parent over the edge just to collect on a debt caused by their child’s medical bills?)

 

The Plan

John Oliver gave me an idea. What he did was buy a package of old medical debt and then wrote it off (didn’t collect on the debt) to the tune of $15 million. 

There are some tax issues with this, however. to solve the tax issue Oliver found an organization that handled the debt so the debtors didn’t get socked with taxes when the debt was forgiven.

However, I think Oliver got the tax issue slightly wrong. 

In the debt buying industry we don’t give anyone a 1099 for cancelled debt unless the debt is settled for less than full value. If the debt is never paid, no 1099 goes out! (The debt buying industry has good lobbyists.)

Also, a large percentage of these debtors have a negative net worth so even if they were to have cancelled debt it is not added to income to the extent the debtor is insolvent (Form 982).

This is where my plan comes in.

 

$20 Million Giveaway

End debt problems with this giveaway. It's raining money! Check if you qualify. No signing up. If you make the list your debt is automatically deleted. #debt #bills #collectors #billcollector  #deardebt #debtdrop #olddebtDelinquent debt keeps sloshing around, even when it is out of stat (statuette of limitations), getting sold again and again. When a new debt buyer takes over the collection actions ramp up again. The phone call are a serious distraction to the debtor.

The out of stat debt is really uncollectable. In some states—like Wisconsin—it is illegal to attempt to collect an out of stat debt. 

This is the dirty part. If a crooked debt collector can convince you to pay even a small amount the debt is then considered fresh and the clock starts all over again. In other words, you take a debt worth a half cent on the dollar and make it worth 10 cents on the dollar since it is now considered a debt with a recent payment. A simple $5 payment is all it takes to restart the clock and open the option the legal action.

The debt buyer can now go to court to collect the rest, plus interest! Or sell it for 10 times what he paid for it. The debtor can never get away from a financial bad spot, even debt older than a decade. The merry-go-round of debt selling never stops.

 

This blog has done modestly well. There are funds in the checking account looking for a good purpose. 

John Oliver (and I guess Oprah, too) bought $15 million of old medical debt and had it eradicated. 

The Wealthy Accountant had an opportunity to buy a $20 million package of old mixed debt, mostly credit card and medical. 

And that is exactly what I did. Most of it is out of stat and technically uncollectable. The only way to stop the debt buyers, however, is to stop the selling of the debt which is exactly what I did here.

I know it is a spit in the ocean. There are hundreds of billions of this charged-off debt floating around out there. This $20 million gesture will not even make a ripple.

Unless you happen to have an old debt in the package purchased. Then you will get a reprieve from the harassment.

The debt will sit in a desk drawer in my office gathering dust. No 1099 or tax issues because I will not officially retire or write-off the debt. It will just age. And unlike a good wine, it will stink up the office for sure.

 

Dreams

Your debt is forgiven. Wealthy accountant has a $20 million giveaway reducing debt so people can have their life back. Reduce stress and money worries. Has your debt been forgiven? #debtforgivness #debt #stress #worry #moneyproblems #suicide debthelp Packages of this old debt are always large. I have seen some small packages when I ran the hedge funds, but it doesn’t allow me the chance to game the system.

You see, I buy this debt for almost nothing. The $20 million package cost just under $50,000. Could you imagine if you could buy your old $20,000 credit card or medical debt just one account at a time for a half cent, or $100? 

If thousands of accounts were not packaged together you could pull yourself off the conveyor belt.

Most debt buyers also sell their debt. If they are selling a package of debt for 2 cents on the dollar, they usually allow you to cherry pick for maybe 3 cents on the dollar. 

If I ever get time I will build a course showing people how to track their old debt down (see who owns it) and buy just their own old debt for next to nothing. 

Until then, I did what I could.

 

 

 * The Annual Suicide Prevention & Awareness Month blog tour is technically over. Melanie Lockert sponsored the blog tour from her Dear Debt blog for three years. Her publishing schedule has become Spartan this year as her interests and focus seem to have changed. I decided to continue the blog tour solo this year. There is so much work still to be done. Money problems are a leading cause of suicide. My experiences and skills allow me to make a difference few have the opportunity to do. So I present this post in hopes that at least one is saved.

 

 

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14 Comments

  1. Mr. Hobo Millionaire on September 16, 2019 at 5:41 pm

    I had no idea debt was sold for so little. I knew some businesses take a loss, but wow… literally pennies on the dollar. It’s not my kind of business, but I can see where one could do pretty well doing collections.

    Neat idea to buy this kind of debt and do nothing with it. I assume whoever holds it last truly “owns” it and nothing can be done with it by anyone else?

    • Keith Taxguy on September 16, 2019 at 7:32 pm

      Whoever owns it has claim to it. Once I own it it is mine to do with as I please. No one can try to claim it on my behalf.

      Fresh debt straight from the bank (or other institution) is called fresh debt and is 6 month delinquent. Fresh credit card debt sells for varying amounts, depending on economic conditions. Fresh credit card debt can run 15-20 cents on the dollar. Generally you scrub this stuff for what you want and quickly sell the rest.

      The older the debt gets the cheaper it gets. The number of times it has been resold is also reflected in the price.

      By the time debt reaches toward stat it gets really cheap. This is the stuff I bought. The really old stuff really should be buried and the people left in peace.

  2. Dave on September 16, 2019 at 6:15 pm

    Keith,
    Can you buy certain types of debt like only medical debt? I have a real soft spot for hard working people that are put into the awful position of going bankrupt due to medical debt. As we know, we are probably the only country in the world where our citizens need to be fearful of bankruptcy due to medical issues.
    What about some program that would buy the medical debt, notify the recipients that their medical debt was forgiven, and then ask them to donate funds toward another needy family in the same situation – wash, rinse, repeat.

    Thx.
    Dave

    • Keith Taxguy on September 16, 2019 at 7:23 pm

      You can buy any kind of debt you want, Dave. The end of the Oliver video shows a plan you are asking about.

  3. Matt on September 16, 2019 at 7:49 pm

    Tip of the cap to you sir. Well done.

  4. localJoe on September 16, 2019 at 9:34 pm

    Take a look at RIP Medical Debt.
    I’ve donated to it a few times.
    They buy medical debt and forgive it.

  5. Karl on September 17, 2019 at 8:14 am

    I love that you used to send a copy of Dave Ramsey’s book, and my heart aches that a genuine offer of help had to stop because of fear of litigation.

    Do you plan to notify the people whose debt you’ve purchased? I’m genuinely curious as to the help/hurt psychology of bringing it back to their attention. On one hand, incredible peace of mind knowing that this is done with for good. On the other hand, potential PTSD for people who have buried this only to have had it occasionally rear its ugly head as it gets bought and sold.

    • Keith Taxguy on September 17, 2019 at 8:56 am

      Karl, the lucky winner in the debt portfolio will hear nothing from me. Maybe one day they will notice the collections calls stopped and they’ll wonder why. Readers here will know why.

  6. Jen on September 17, 2019 at 11:36 am

    If you ever do create that course to find out who owns your debt I will gladly take it. I grew up under the poverty line, and I know my mother has quite a bit of out of stat debt from back in the 90’s. If I could find it I would definitely buy it to make sure that it never hurts her as she gets closer to retirement and has more medical problems (fibromyalgia and more).

    • mary on September 18, 2019 at 12:25 am

      I’m with Jen. This sounds like very valuable information that I would love to get to friends and family. I hope you can make this project a priority.

  7. Leslie on September 17, 2019 at 12:31 pm

    Good job Keith Tax Guy. Debt sucks the soul out of so many people.

  8. JR on September 17, 2019 at 3:54 pm

    Wow. Read the two previous ones at the top. The 30’s something dude with the sick wife got me, damn.

    I really like the idea. “A spit in the ocean” maybe at the aggregate, but certainly meaningful for the individual. Reminds me of a story I came across of a bloke who would pay for the next handful people line after him at the coffee shop anonymously. The guy was content to just hang back and watch people get lit up from the act of kindness.

  9. Social Capitalist on September 28, 2019 at 8:52 am

    TWA way to pick up a starfish and throw it back into the ocean. Like John Oliver you did make a difference – both in doing something about it and publicizing it.

    We are our brothers’ keepers. When we learn (relearn?) that most of capitalism’s problems will solve themselves.

    Thank you.

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